Ah, yes, because "racism" is a neat and diplomatic way of admitting that all races are not equal.

I wouldn't consider myself uneducated, but I am certainly ignorant in some areas. This does not make you all-knowing, either. Everyone is ignorant.

Fish feel pain. Commercial net fishing destroys ecosystems. And imagine being caught on a line: a hook, through your cheek, dragging you through the ocean. And fish farming? The overcrowded conditions make the trains to concentration camps look roomy. (Or maybe that's horribly politically incorrect. I'm not sure. If it is, I apologise.)

I differ from your opinion; that makes me delusional. Why? To quote middle school brightly coloured posters: "What is right is not always popular. What is popular is not always right." At points in history, slavery was widely accepted. The lynching of blacks and gays was widely accepted. So I have no problem with trying to change something that is widely accepted. I hope that in fifty or one hundred years, humans will look back in disgust on our eating habits, just as most of us look back in disgust on a history of slavery and inequality based on race, gender, sexual orientation, et cetera (although much of that is still present today).

Exaggeration is clearly necessary to prove a point about something that is widely accepted. Although it may not be right, shock is sometimes necessary to get past something that is ingrained so deeply into minds.

Animals fight back. Slaughterhouse workers have described the screams of animals, their thrashing, et cetera. If you shackle a human, it's pretty easy to drive a bolt through their brain, if not easier than it is for a cow, as humans are lighter.

I suppose you could just pick up roadkill and eat it. Then you "wouldn't need to kill someone to get your hand on a bit of meat."

Eugh, no, thank you.

I simply choose not to end life and cause suffering. That's really all there is to it.

Ah, so you wouldn't eat humans because they're productive, aside from the genetic standpoint. Would you then eat a severely mentally retarded person? Isn't that essentially the same thing as an animal?

And the "who would you save" question is just absurd. It's always the fall-back, that and "plants have feelings, too!". If I could, I would probably save the child, because, try as I might, I, too, am subject to speciesism. Or perhaps I'd save the dog first, if it was smaller, as a heavier object is less likely to move.

What separates humans from non-humans is the ability to make ethical, moral, and logical decisions. I believe in the abolition of the use of animals, both human and non-human. It's that simple.

What do you mean, "we still don't know the full consequences of a vegan diet"? Veganism has been around for... over six decades, as I believe it was founded in the 1940s, although I may be wrong.

No, that I believe that all sentient life is equal and meaningful. And you do not.

It's obviously pointless to bring up, but...

If you'd kill an animal to eat it, why not kill a human to eat it?

You don't need to respond. We're running in circles.

That's just rude.

The farm that you grew up on is not typical. There is no government regulation of the term "free range."

I'd "better start reading" so I can have your opinions. Interesting.

I'm tired of this. To be called a "bullshitting, angry little girl" is not why I'm here. That's enough.

It's just examples. I mean, I tried to pick clear-cut issues. Maybe if I stuck in: "If you can murder young children with an ice pick, do it," it'd be more obvious. But you're right, those could be opinion-based and are vague. My apologies.

That's just a difference of opinions.

I am an abolitionist. I am against the use of animals, both human and non-human. I campaign for equal rights and compassion for all sentient creatures. That's how I'm different.

If we can choose to eat non-human animals, why not choose to eat human animals?

Copied from another debate of mine:

"Most amino acids are produced by our bodies and no amino acids can be "implemented." All essential amino acids (the ones our bodies don't produce) can be found in plants. The idea of combining foods to obtain "complete proteins" was passed over in the '70s; scientific knowledge moved on from that theory almost 40 years ago. And if you really want a complete protein, look no further than quinoa and amaranth, two plant sources."

Doctors are skeptical about cutting out meat because there isn't a lot of information about/support for veg*n diets. Meat is detrimental to your health; there's no doubt about it. That isn't opinion. Vegans, on average, live six years longer than omnivores.

I'm an abolitionist. Animals are not meant to be used by humans.

Carnivores: have claws

Herbivores: have no claws

Humans: have no claws

Carnivores: have no skin pores and perspire through the tongue

Herbivores: perspire through skin pores

Humans: perspire through skin pores

Carnivores: have sharp front teeth, with no rear molars for grinding

Herbivores: no sharp front teeth, with rear molars for grinding

Humans: no sharp front teeth, with rear molars for grinding

Carnivores: have intestinal tract that is only 3 times their body length so that rapidly decaying meat can pass through quickly

Herbivores: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length

Humans: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length

Carnivores: have strong hydrochloric acid in stomach to digest meat

Herbivores: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a carnivore

Humans: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a carnivore

Carnivores: salivary glands in mouth not needed to pre-digest grains and fruits.

Herbivores: well-developed salivary glands which are necessary to pre-digest grains and fruits

Humans: well-developed salivary glands, which are necessary to pre-digest grains and fruits

Carnivores: have acid saliva with no enzyme ptyalin to pre-digest grains

Herbivores: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains

Humans: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains

Yes, humans are obviously created to eat meat....

(Not going to lie, I feel like I'm attacking you. I usually enjoy your debates so much. I hope I'm not coming off as rude or defensive... No hard feelings?)

Human rights and animal rights are one and the same. It's a search for equality and the abolition of destructive, unfair, unequal, harmful practices. You don't need money to fight for animal rights; it's easy to not finance animal oppression.

Free-range and organic meats are bogus.

So why not eat humans?

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Yes, it is true that we have the ability to abstain from meat because we have the wonders of the Internet and modern supermarkets, at least in many places over the world. But... why, exactly, do we need protein powders and vitamins from pills? There is absolutely no vitamin or mineral that you can't get from vegetable sources.

I wouldn't consider myself "tough and preachy." It's a debate. I'm debating. No need to be defensive.

Why kill a non-human animal and not a human? As long as the human is fed properly and given comfortable lodging.

I simply believe that animals are not ours to use. Ever. For any purpose.

Regardless, there is not enough land on Earth to humanely raise enough 'meat' to feed the world. The land simply doesn't exist. Unless we create floating ground for cattle....

That's out of context. Clearly, it was meant to refer to destructive behaviours.

e.g.,

If you can drop an atomic bomb, do it.

If you can adopt an animal, do it.

If you can kill millions of sentient beings per year, while simultaneously endangering your health and harming the planet, do it.

If you can volunteer at a soup kitchen, do it.

Do you see the difference?

Lions and sharks, besides being true carnivores, have no choice in their actions. Humans, alternately, have several other options available to them, making the killing completely unnecessary. Human anatomy also suggests quite strongly that we are not meant to consume meat or be "predators." Again: why cause suffering if it's unnecessary?

So if you can do something, do it? That is the absolute worst argument for anything.

You believe that human anatomy is created to eat meat? Hmmm, let's take a look.

Carnivores: have claws

Herbivores: have no claws

Humans: have no claws

Carnivores: have no skin pores and perspire through the tongue

Herbivores: perspire through skin pores

Humans: perspire through skin pores

Carnivores: have sharp front teeth, with no rear molars for grinding

Herbivores: no sharp front teeth, with rear molars for grinding

Humans: no sharp front teeth, with rear molars for grinding

Carnivores: have intestinal tract that is only 3 times their body length so that rapidly decaying meat can pass through quickly

Herbivores: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length

Humans: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length

Carnivores: have strong hydrochloric acid in stomach to digest meat

Herbivores: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a carnivore

Humans: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a carnivore

Carnivores: salivary glands in mouth not needed to pre-digest grains and fruits.

Herbivores: well-developed salivary glands which are necessary to pre-digest grains and fruits

Humans: well-developed salivary glands, which are necessary to pre-digest grains and fruits

Carnivores: have acid saliva with no enzyme ptyalin to pre-digest grains

Herbivores: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains

Humans: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains

Yes, humans are obviously created to eat meat....

Even if vegetables are sentient and can feel pain, eating solely vegetables directly is killing far less of them than it would by funneling them through the animals of the meat industry. If one day somebody can prove that vegetables can feel pain, I will maintain my vegan diet for this reason.

Why cause unnecessary suffering? If it is easy (easier, actually) for humans to prosper and flourish without meat, why go ahead and cause unnecessary suffering?

However you slice it, whatever your moral/ethical feelings are towards this, eating meat is directly causing the end of multiple sentient lives. Ending sentient life is murder. Simple.